Hot and Bothered – Gearscore
Let’s get something straight here – Gearscore sucks.
Both the mod and the whole gearscore “trend” are frankly the two biggest blights on servers that I’ve seen recently. I will not mince words because I feel that they really are a huge detriment to the pool of PUG/casual PVE groups that exist in a server’s community.
I didn’t even know what gearscoring was until a couple weeks ago when I ventured into trade for a little bit to try and look for some deals. People all over the place were asking “Need tank for Heroic TOC, must have gearscore +2300″ and “DPS for Ulduar 10, 2500 gearscore.” And then the wails arose from Elitist Jerks IRC about how horrifically stupid this whole thing was that was infecting other people’s trade chats as well. If my little roleplaying server was having this bad, I couldn’t imagine what it was like on giant PVP servers like Mal’ganis.
Hint: If gearscores piss off elitist raiders, you might be doing something wrong.
What is Gearscore?!
Gearscore, for those fortunate enough not to know, is an equation put forth by such sites as WoW-Heroes and the Gearscore mod that calculates your gear’s item levels and gem choices and distills it into a “helpful” number. What’s wrong with this, you ask? None of these numbers across the different services even add up to the same thing or indicate what gear the i-lvls are coming from. So not only do we not have a consistent score between the different things people might use to determine gearscore, but we also have no indication that the ilvl 219 or 226 gear people are wearing is even something applicable for their class.
In short – the numbers are not really indicative of anything other than a rough summation of how many purples you have draped on your body. They do not show anything about your skill, your spec, your ability to understand core concepts of you class or anything you might actually want to know about a player before taking a chance on them in a PUG group, or especially a raid.
This is bad, folks.
I’ve already had people jumping on my butt crying about how it can be used as a rough, quick evaluation tool. I really don’t think that’s the case. Unless you’re exceptionally keen and know what level of gear someone falls into with most of their ilvls, these numbers are like Greek. And honestly? How do you know where they got their 226 gear from? Was it from Heroic TOC or was it from Ulduar? This number doesn’t say anything about actual experience.
To me, it just seems like pure laziness and ignorance masquerading as elitism. This is strange coming from myself – a pretty elitist person. I do recruitment for my raid team. I’ve had to sit down in front of people’s armories (hint: VALUABLE DATA HERE) and scan very quickly to see if someone was even worth our time with an interview. I got very good at picking out the difference between a “gear thing” and a “doesn’t understand their class” thing. Gearscore has done nothing but drive people to be overly fussy and demand over-gearing for simple things like heroics (which I have personally done in blues and t6 gear.) A little knowledge is dangerous, as they say.
But Ais, I want to PUG! I don’t have time to check an Armory, I don’t want to know about their class, I just want something easy!
Gearscore is not easy – it’s a number that tells you precious little other than what color their gear is. If you’re doing a heroic, someone does not need all 219 epics. Hell, if you have a pulse and aren’t a tank below defense cap, you should be fine in a lot of cases. So the insistence to use Gearscore does nothing for both learning how to play an instance with a wide range of gear (which can actually improve your awareness/skill) and learning what gear is appropriate for what dungeon you’re trotting into.
I firmly believe it’s the ease of which people have been able to gain epics at lower skill levels that has raised the noses of many of those same people who do not understand the relative value of gear and therefore given them the idea that all epics mean something. Good players, reliable players know what can be done out of what gear they have, understand their class, understand their abilities, rather than waltzing around in Heroic TOC 226 gear and doing 1K DPS as a hunter. (I shit you not.) Gearscore basically takes the whole problem with gear inflation and creates a subset of players who have good gear but none of the indicators of being a bad player and rests it’s entire basis for “value” or “worth” on something that doesn’t show much of it at all.
Okay, so Gearscore requirements for heroics = bad! What if I just use the Gearscore mod to help me inspect people?
Unlike my good friend Matticus, I believe the mod is just as bad as the gearscore phenomenon, if not worse. Why is Gearscore the mod so horrifically bad? Let’s talk about how mods work.
Mods send data traffic over channels – hidden to you or I, unless you have a mod that displays it, like AddonSpamFu. Guild is a channel, raid is a channel, battlegrounds have channels. They are the little highways that all the little mod cars go zooming back and forth with data. Normally, this is good – mods work, everyone’s happy. But if a mod is written poorly, it can get quite spammy. This means lots and lots of data traffic is being sent over hidden channels. Even if you don’t have a mod that interacts with this data, if you’re part of the channels the mod is spamming, it can affect you quite a bit if you’re on a weak internet connection.
Ever zone into Dalaran and get DCed? Or a raid boss? Besides Dalaran being a horrifically built city, it could also be people’s mod traffic shoving you off your connection to the servers. One person having a mod spamming you might not be bad, but 30 people in your guild? 15 people in your raid? It does add up. Carbonite and (SURPRISE!) Gearscore are some of the WORST offenders of add-on spam. What Gearscore is constantly doing is asking/telling other players for data. Later versions of Gearscore have ramped down the spamminess but given that it still is a high amount of traffic, both the mod and the culture of Gearscoring have chapped my ass quite a bit. I’m one of those people who does get DCed a lot.
Oh, so what do I do if I want to PUG and make sure people are good?
First, learn what kind of gear is appropriate for the level of dungeon you are doing, and in relation to your gear. A couple overgeared people can suffer someone with slightly weaker gear. Secondly, use fairly decent tools available to you:
- WoW Armory
WoW Armory is the mecca of all things informational. When I look over someone for a raid, I glance at their gear first (weak slots, bad gem choices). Then I pass over their spec (Cookie cutter or alternative, smart talent choices?). After that, I take a glance at their raid achievements to see what they’ve actually seen.
This is great if you have a lot of time but I know that most PUGs just want to get up and go.
- Pugchecker
This is a fairly invaluable site for the on-the-go PUG grouper/raid leader. It shows at a glance a person’s gear/spec and raid/heroic experience. It is pulled from Armory data, which does lead to some inconsistences but overall is pretty reliable for seeing what someone has done. (For instance, it says I haven’t done Koralon in the last month when I go every week with my raid. STRANGE!)
- Experience mod
You’ve probably never heard of this because it just came out. It was written by Antiarc (author of Omen, Chatter, and SexyMap), as a way to combat Gearscore and other mods of its ilk. It’s a low resource, easy to use mod that simply puts a person’s raid experience (pulled from their statistics data) in a context box on your screen when you click on them. You can set the threshold for how many kills of a boss a person should have seen to be “experienced” and it then generates a percentage score for all the instances they’ve done.
This is not a foolproof check, as it does require you to be in range of someone, and people can be carried through instances, but it does weight heavier on later bosses in an instance so that you can get a rough idea how many harder fights a person may have been a part of. I have used it a little and it is interesting, to say the least.
So What Now?
All in all, at the end of the day, PUGs have a chance to suck. But making people’s lives miserable trying to PUG a heroic because of their low “gearscore” just doesn’t do anyone good. We all had to start somewhere and going to heroics is still a viable way to get geared up. Being a smart, capable player and bringing that to the table should be everyone’s priority, regardless of what gear they have on. I wish people wouldn’t lose sight of that. There’s definitely people in blues that have done more DPS than people in epics. Keep your Critical Thinking Cap on, be a well-informed party member and PUGs will go pretty smoothly if you let them.
Seriously, just get rid of Gearscore already people. PLEASE. Link this in trade if you have to.
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I hadn’t heard of gearscore, but as a tank, I’d suspect it sucks ass. Great post, I like how you listed alternatives too.
Thanks! It just bothers me that people who have little understanding of gearing are pretty much making life miserable for people because of it.
I guess it all boils down to “bring the player, not the gear”, and there is a lot of evidence of there that this works. If a group can take down Yoggie in blues then I don’t quite understand why you need to be in full epics to run Heroic Utgarde keep…and this is coupled with what seems to me to be a recent trend(on my server at least) of having to have the achievement of a raid in PuG’s to be able to join it. Want to PuG 10man ulduar? Well, you must of finished 10man ulduar first. The logical fallacy there is…annoying.
There are many more downsides to things like gearscore than its inaccuracy too, not only do they tell you lies about other people, mislead you and cause lag as you described but it makes you lazy. I used gearscore the first time I hit 80, I was new then..(thats my excuse and i’m sticking to it
) and what I noticed was after a while, I had absolutely no concept of what gear was…really. I relied on this magical number to tell me something and in that I learnt nothing about other classes, other gear, other specs, how people stat and spec up. Without it I’ve learnt a lot about how tanks spec, how other dps and hybrid dps’s tend to spec up, this information is nice to know, it’s useful.
And yes, the 1k dpsing hunter in full epics….it’s distressing to see. I pull more than 1k on dungeons on my level 72 in quest greens. Addons like gearscore don’t teach us how to play, they hinder.
See also, Deadly boss mods. Worst way to learn raids, ever and such a waste of an experience. Why bother experiencing Yoggie or Vezax, the faction champs or Anub when we can follow some flashing text? *le sigh*. DBM has its place, as an aid…but I really do feel its another addon that is so dreadfully mis and overused.
I was on a break when the whole Gearscore phenomenon occurred. I didn’t get a lot of ToC love (quit week 1 of 3.2) and so I didn’t have any of the delicious purples from those places. The guild said they’d take me, even though my gearscore was only 4400 (lol) and I topped DPS as an arcane mage.
I could see gearscore being a useful tool, if this was back in TBC where there were actual gearchecks. Of course, back then you couldn’t find a PUG for most of those raids. But Wrath has no gear checks, so people just use it to be lazy.
I hate GearScore. I loathe and despise it.
I have been in raid groups where freshly dinged first 80s were brought to Naxx25 or Ulduar and given epics regardless of their skill. I remember a pally healer who was wearing level 70-72 items and did not know what blessings were. I remember countless DPS that did 750 or below dps. I remember tanks who were in full epics that could not hold aggro on my blue Tempered Saronite geared self; I would pull OFF the MT if I used any more spells in my rotation than Hammer of Righteousness.
Yet all these people have high gear scores and achievements because they were carried. It does NOT mean they have skill.
I saw someone in /trade today demanding a 2500 gear score to run HH. HH, which I had done earlier with two sub-80 people doing about 500 dps (the highest dps averaged 1800). It’s fucking lunacy, because if you have that kind of score, then you don’t need the gear. Plus, wtf about alts of people who ARE skilled but are trying to get geared up?
It pisses me off, because I remember being locked out on my old server. My paladin tank could not get a group because she wasn’t in Kara gear. For normal instances, by the way, not heroics. I wish to gods I was exaggerating or making it up, but the number of people that turned me down because I wasn’t raid-geared was sickening… and this was on a server that never managed to down KJ before 3.0. Under 5 guilds ever downed Illidan pre-3.0, crossing both sides.
I understand the arguments that Gear Score can be a useful tool, but in the vast majority of cases — it’s used by people to pretend that they’re elite, when really, it’s a crutch to make them feel better about themselves and their e-peen.
Just read your blog, nice work on totally going after what is important. The players experience/capability in utilizing the gear they have. I for one am a huge advocate of it. For instance, I am low geared, having just attained level 80 4 days ago. Since then I have only done a handful of heroics and TOCs.
But in all regards, I have been doing a pretty good job while still in lvl 78 PVP-type gear(Frostsavage stuff) and have been repeatedly asked to heal or DPS some runs.
I have a tendency to let people know up front about my abilities, which are basically none. But the one factor I have, I am willing to learn. I picked up a rotation as a Shadow Priest that nets me somewhere around 1.5k-2k DPS depending on the situation, and sees me at times on the top of the charts… And to note, I am a Shadow Priest!!! How is that possible? Probably from taking the time to learn to max it out as best as I can, via reading stuff off of EJ, Matticus, shadowpriest.com, and from other bloggers. Last but not least, my guildmates have been ever so helpful in making recommendations.
All in all, I agree with most of what you are saying. It is the player that will define whether they are doing well, not the gear. All the gear does for the good player, is make them a better candidate if compared to someone of the same caliber!
Keep up the good writes!
@Nonny – I agree and have had similar experiences with HH…
Amen, sista!
I don’t have a fundamental disagreement with a baseline scoring system. My problem is that, given an easy tool, idiots will abuse it – and that’s what we have here.
i totally agree with you. i also submit that things like gearscore or On Par are so seductive… i don’t think people MEANT to trust them implicitly, but it’s just basic laziness taking hold: it’s so easy to just trust a simple number… i know, because i’ve found myself doing it recently, and your post has been a nice splash of cold water as a wake-up. so, thank you!
The problem with a baseline scoring system is that there’s no real way to parse something like spec/gear choices/experience into a number, really.
Something people probably don’t know about gearscore… it spams the begeebers out of your guildmates with garbage.
Get addonspamfu (for fubar) and see exactly what it can do to your bandwidth! If you are DCing on fights chances are there are people in your guild running unnecessarily spammy mods, and gearscore is one of the worst (that and carbonitequest)
Horrible mod. Get rid of it. I am about to start a campaign against it in my guild! *shudder*
I did mention that in the entry.
But yeah, mod traffic is so powerfully bad for raids. We really try hard to force low CPU intensive/low spam mods on our raiders.
and amusingly, if you’re actually in a raid, you don’t need to see that number anymore, I mean…you’re already raiding…
Gnomeageddon had a great post about this recently. http://tinyurl.com/yhdcja8
Amen!
Horde side CC I have never come across this sort of thing. Sure we have our few that log in wonky gear to boost their epeen spot on wow-heroes, but that is pretty much the extent. However, on my Alliance server (Shadow Council) the gear score requirement thing is ridiculous. I had never even heard of it really before I hit 80 there. I have been denied a spot in a VoA 10 run because of lowish gear score, even though I have run the place many times. Could I have linked him my ToGC/Ulduar HM progress to prove myself worthy? Yes, but I didn’t. As far as I’m concerned, it was their loss.
For the 10 man I run there I regularly have to pug a few spots. I have never asked for a gear score, I just check achievements on the armory and glance over gear to see if that have a clue what they’re doing. So far so good. Thanks for the Pugchecker link though, I might give that one a try!
I have seen people talk about it, but never really paid attention until yesterday. We had just finished the heroic daily and had just ported back to Dal. Someone was pulling together a group for Ony 25, must have achievement + 2500 gear score from wow-heroes. So for giggles my guild all went to look at their gearscore on wow-heroes. We were all beyond the gear requirement by quite a bit, but because we only run 10 mans, we wouldn’t have qualified because of lack of achievement for 25 mans. My gear score was lower then most in my guild and close to the cutoff, because I chose to use the abyssal ruin which is only an iLevel 200 item. When I do run 25 mans (VoA is really the only one because of lag in Ony 10, can’t imagine it in 25!), I’m usually out dpsing everyone else by 2.5k to begin with… but I don’t have the achievement and use a low level item so I must suck! A good player is a good player. Gear only enhances the player, doesn’t make the player!
HA my bad, I read the post, then commented later. So I just plumb missed that! But addonspamfu is wonderful to see who is using carbonitequest while you are raiding and hammering your connection >.<
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Ha! I have the achievement, but only an 2100 gear score. I ran it for the first time a couple of weeks ago, with a lower gear score than most of the people in the raid and was #5 on the DPS chart (which I also have isssues with, but when in Rome…).
Fortunately, the only time GearScore seems to come up on my server is when my RL is trying to create epeen contests during an afk break. This naturally leads to people pulling out their highest ilevel gear (from Flame Leviathian) and our insulted prot warrior got revenge by tanking all of ToC-25 using Thunderfury.
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First, Gear Score Lite isn’t nearly as bad for lag, etc. as the original Gear Score. I’m solidly behind not using the original because lag is bad!
Second, the numbers aren’t greek after you’ve used it a few times. It’s faster than inspecting, and if all you use it for is to maybe evaluate how your heroic dungeon run is going to go, I don’t see how it’s a bad thing. It’s just another tool. Like DBM. You don’t need it, but it’s just another tool wit more information.
I think the problem is not the mod itself (or at least the Gear Score Lite version) but what people are doing with it. And well, you probably want to avoid running with people that only use GS to evaluate people anyway.
I got linked to here from a WoW_Ladies discussion, and felt the need to add a bit in comments, even if the post is a couple of months old. Thanks!
I just don’t inspect people in PUGs, I glance over their health or mana pools sometimes, but other than that, not really unless something goes badly wrong. *shrugs* It is still an unneccessary, unneeded, largely ridiculous tool that at best tells you what level of gear someone has, and nothing more.
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